Comments on: Citimortgage PDFs: Ugh http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/ free software, free culture, free association Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:30:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: Scott Carpenter http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3429 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:21:12 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3429 Tried xpdf last night but no joy. Pete, I think you're right. There's the I/T guy side of me that in the interest of fairness wants to accurately present my side of the story, but all they want to hear is the magic words that will let them say your configuration is not supported. So they're not playing fair either. Of course, there's not a lot of happiness down that road either, since they're options for helping you with something like PDF viewing are probably limited. It's just too small of a problem to get the time of someone who could actually help you or maybe even influence how the PDFs are created. On the other hand, maybe by making a stink about it, if they hear it from enough people, they'll actually start taking non-Windows, non-Mac systems into consideration in their design decisions. Ha! Right. This is generally why I emphasize the need to use open standards when I write to these companies. Of course that falls on deaf or powerless ears also. Tried xpdf last night but no joy.

Pete, I think you’re right. There’s the I/T guy side of me that in the interest of fairness wants to accurately present my side of the story, but all they want to hear is the magic words that will let them say your configuration is not supported. So they’re not playing fair either.

Of course, there’s not a lot of happiness down that road either, since they’re options for helping you with something like PDF viewing are probably limited. It’s just too small of a problem to get the time of someone who could actually help you or maybe even influence how the PDFs are created.

On the other hand, maybe by making a stink about it, if they hear it from enough people, they’ll actually start taking non-Windows, non-Mac systems into consideration in their design decisions. Ha! Right.

This is generally why I emphasize the need to use open standards when I write to these companies. Of course that falls on deaf or powerless ears also.

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by: Penguin Pete http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3428 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:54:10 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3428 You might try my method: lie. I do this with all of the tech-related customer service people I meet these days. Yes, I have Vista service pack 2, the latest copy of Adobe bought fresh off the shelf this morning, and this is Steve Ballmer speaking and I'm armed with a chair. 99% of the time, you can apply the answer they give you to Linux, and they never knew the difference. One time, my ISP screwed up. I get QWest, which feels about Linux the way Archie Bunker did about minorities. Anyway, their service failed in a way I was unable to fix from home, so I BS'ed tech support on the phone while they reset stuff and then told me "now go to the start menu and click the blue 'e' icon...". This kept up right until I got the web back and tested it with a visit to Google. The support guy made a surprised noise as he saw the user-ID string pop up, and I said, "Sure enough, you've been talking to MANDRIVA 10.1 with FIREFOX the whole time!" Fortunately, this guy had a sense of humor about it. I don't mind the companies that say they don't support it - fine, I'll handle the problems on my end. What bugs me are the companies who literally say "We refuse to do business with you unless you run Windows, whether you can make it work on Linux or not." You might try my method: lie. I do this with all of the tech-related customer service people I meet these days. Yes, I have Vista service pack 2, the latest copy of Adobe bought fresh off the shelf this morning, and this is Steve Ballmer speaking and I’m armed with a chair. 99% of the time, you can apply the answer they give you to Linux, and they never knew the difference.

One time, my ISP screwed up. I get QWest, which feels about Linux the way Archie Bunker did about minorities. Anyway, their service failed in a way I was unable to fix from home, so I BS’ed tech support on the phone while they reset stuff and then told me “now go to the start menu and click the blue ‘e’ icon…”. This kept up right until I got the web back and tested it with a visit to Google. The support guy made a surprised noise as he saw the user-ID string pop up, and I said, “Sure enough, you’ve been talking to MANDRIVA 10.1 with FIREFOX the whole time!” Fortunately, this guy had a sense of humor about it.

I don’t mind the companies that say they don’t support it - fine, I’ll handle the problems on my end. What bugs me are the companies who literally say “We refuse to do business with you unless you run Windows, whether you can make it work on Linux or not.”

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by: rozie http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3427 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:36:43 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3427 Kpdf seems to be good (I never had problems with it, but yeah, I use KDE as WM). And xpdf (a quick one). I also have acrobat installed, but I never use it. Kpdf seems to be good (I never had problems with it, but yeah, I use KDE as WM). And xpdf (a quick one). I also have acrobat installed, but I never use it.

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by: Scott Carpenter http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3426 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:04:01 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3426 Hi, Rozie. That's what I did on my initial message, but I figure they'll ask followup questions. I suppose I could try another free viewer and see if it handles the PDF better. That's a good idea. Hi, Rozie. That’s what I did on my initial message, but I figure they’ll ask followup questions. I suppose I could try another free viewer and see if it handles the PDF better. That’s a good idea.

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by: rozie http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3425 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:27:13 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2008/01/26/citimortgage-pdf-problems-ugh/#comment-3425 Just report them that they send blank form with no data. Don't tell anything about your pdf browser nor OS. You don't have to know how to check this. ;) OTOH there is Adobe Reader for Linux. And Evince isn't the only open browser... Just report them that they send blank form with no data. Don’t tell anything about your pdf browser nor OS. You don’t have to know how to check this. ;)
OTOH there is Adobe Reader for Linux. And Evince isn’t the only open browser…

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