Comments on: Moving to NetBeans (from Eclipse) http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/ free software, free culture, free association Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:39:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: scoutpandit http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3629 scoutpandit Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:44:16 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3629 Great Post.. and here is one more moving to net beans from eclipse. I am very irrirated at the kind of Maven support that eclipse provides. Its so stupid and plugins are very dumb. Everytime I end up in creating a java project instead of an EJB or web project. Then I have to tweak the .project, .classpath and pom files manually to make eclipse understand that the projects created by Maven are indeed web and ejb projects. The plugins q4e, m2eclipse do not ease the situation either. Lot of manual work is required. Eclipse will soon loose its users if they are not going to work a more tighter integration with Maven. Great Post.. and here is one more moving to net beans from eclipse. I am very irrirated at the kind of Maven support that eclipse provides. Its so stupid and plugins are very dumb. Everytime I end up in creating a java project instead of an EJB or web project. Then I have to tweak the .project, .classpath and pom files manually to make eclipse understand that the projects created by Maven are indeed web and ejb projects. The plugins q4e, m2eclipse do not ease the situation either. Lot of manual work is required. Eclipse will soon loose its users if they are not going to work a more tighter integration with Maven.

]]> By: Larry Lozada http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3444 Larry Lozada Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:00:05 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3444 Hello, Well this is a very nice and interesting post.I'm Wendy Larry Lozada from the University of Baguio, Philippines taking up Bachelor of Science in Computer Engineering 1. Thanks a lot for this. I have already a hint in doing my assingnment. Hello,
Well this is a very nice and interesting post.I'm Wendy Larry Lozada from the University of Baguio, Philippines taking up Bachelor of Science in Computer Engineering 1. Thanks a lot for this. I have already a hint in doing my assingnment.

]]> By: Scott Carpenter http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3366 Scott Carpenter Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:23:37 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3366 Hi, Jens. This is the first I've heard of MyEclipse. Since it's not free software, I wouldn't consider it for anything that I had personal control over. As for understanding what it does, I clicked on the "Why use MyEclipse?" link, but that didn't really give me a good overview of the software or what it offers over other choices. Hi, Jens. This is the first I've heard of MyEclipse. Since it's not free software, I wouldn't consider it for anything that I had personal control over.

As for understanding what it does, I clicked on the "Why use MyEclipse?" link, but that didn't really give me a good overview of the software or what it offers over other choices.

]]> By: Jens E. http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3365 Jens E. Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:37:49 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3365 Scott; Good post. It's nice to see someone efficiently explore environmental differences without feeling like it has to be completely black and white. Question: have you ever tried MyEclipse at all? Besides being cost-effective ($50/year), it also incorporates NetBeans' Matisse into the Eclipse environment. I would be curious to know your thoughts on where MyEclispe fits in your bigger picture of tool choices. Best, Jens www.myeclipseide.com Scott;

Good post. It's nice to see someone efficiently explore environmental differences without feeling like it has to be completely black and white.

Question: have you ever tried MyEclipse at all? Besides being cost-effective ($50/year), it also incorporates NetBeans' Matisse into the Eclipse environment.

I would be curious to know your thoughts on where MyEclispe fits in your bigger picture of tool choices.

Best,
Jens
http://www.myeclipseide.com

]]> By: Jorge http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3257 Jorge Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:51:16 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3257 Good article, I also use netbeans for my Java programming at school even though I like much more VStudio 2005. greetings. Good article, I also use netbeans for my Java programming at school even though I like much more VStudio 2005.

greetings.

]]> By: Scott Carpenter http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3201 Scott Carpenter Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:29:24 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3201 Hi, Dave. Yep -- I see IDEA mentioned a lot as a good environment. While I use proprietary software on the job, I'm working on getting away from it as much as possible for home use. Hopefully the Eclipse and NetBeans developers are looking at it and copying features. :-) Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Hi, Dave. Yep -- I see IDEA mentioned a lot as a good environment. While I use proprietary software on the job, I'm working on getting away from it as much as possible for home use. Hopefully the Eclipse and NetBeans developers are looking at it and copying features. :-) Thanks for your thoughtful comment.

]]> By: Dave Lorde http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3199 Dave Lorde Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:45:38 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3199 Hi Scott, Nice article - I hope you follow it up to say how you get on with Netbeans after the honeymoon period ;-) For example, how do you find the non-Matisse parts? I too have tried Eclipse and found it awkward and uncomfortable to use - something about the way it is organised doesn't quite fit the way I work/think. I think it's one of those things that either suits you or doesn't. Over the years I've used quite a few IDEs, among them the original Microsoft Visual Studio for C++ (buggy but excellent), JBuilder (buggy), Symantec Visual Cafe (horrible & buggy), Rational Rose (buggy & horrible), Netbeans (buggy at the time) and Eclipse. I eventually ended up with IntelliJ IDEA, which is just right for me - it fits my way of working/thinking like a glove, and IMO is that bit more polished and usable than Eclipse. Of course, it's not free, so you expect a bit more for your money. It has it's own GUI builder which is fairly good, although I believe Matisse still leads the field. But to be honest, we tend to avoid GUI builders when developing commercially. I like IDEA enough that I'd buy a personal license if my employer didn't supply one, and I know quite a few developers who've done just that. Having said all that, an IDE is just a tool, and you should use the tools best suited to the task at hand. if either Netbeans or Eclipse had support for a feature I needed that wasn't available in IDEA, I'd have no problem using them for that work. Hi Scott,

Nice article - I hope you follow it up to say how you get on with Netbeans after the honeymoon period ;-) For example, how do you find the non-Matisse parts?

I too have tried Eclipse and found it awkward and uncomfortable to use - something about the way it is organised doesn't quite fit the way I work/think. I think it's one of those things that either suits you or doesn't. Over the years I've used quite a few IDEs, among them the original Microsoft Visual Studio for C++ (buggy but excellent), JBuilder (buggy), Symantec Visual Cafe (horrible & buggy), Rational Rose (buggy & horrible), Netbeans (buggy at the time) and Eclipse.

I eventually ended up with IntelliJ IDEA, which is just right for me - it fits my way of working/thinking like a glove, and IMO is that bit more polished and usable than Eclipse. Of course, it's not free, so you expect a bit more for your money. It has it's own GUI builder which is fairly good, although I believe Matisse still leads the field. But to be honest, we tend to avoid GUI builders when developing commercially. I like IDEA enough that I'd buy a personal license if my employer didn't supply one, and I know quite a few developers who've done just that.

Having said all that, an IDE is just a tool, and you should use the tools best suited to the task at hand. if either Netbeans or Eclipse had support for a feature I needed that wasn't available in IDEA, I'd have no problem using them for that work.

]]> By: Scott Carpenter http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3198 Scott Carpenter Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:19:37 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3198 Hello, Siamak/Brian/Tim -- thanks for your comments. Tim: it's nice to <i>not</i> have to choose exclusively between one or the other IDE, isn't it? :-) Hello, Siamak/Brian/Tim -- thanks for your comments. Tim: it's nice to not have to choose exclusively between one or the other IDE, isn't it? :-)

]]> By: Tim van der Leeuw http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3197 Tim van der Leeuw Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:35:39 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3197 My reason to move to NetBeans for a lot of development was it's excellent support of Maven / Maven2, versus Eclipse's rather poor support (the Eclipse plugin for supporting Maven2 integration doesn't quite cut it for me). That, and the fact that Eclipse 3.2 developed a tendency to go OOM on me several times a day. However, in NetBeans 5.5 I missed too many good Java editing features so almost instantly I switched to NetBeans pre-release and milestone releases for the upcoming version 6 and they're getting better all the time. By now, they're really good, stable and very day-to-day usable alternative for Eclipse - go check them out :-) I've never been one for the GUI builder though; I haven't used it in either IDEs. I did do a full year of Swing application development, using Eclipse to code it all by hand, and didn't feel the need to use an IDE for that... (Funny thing is that in Python I felt the GUI builder for wxPython was greatly helping me). One thing in NetBeans still sucks for me: the way to run a command-line application which is built by Maven2. It inserts lots of stuff in your Maven2 POM, which -- in my opinion -- is not what you want. So I still use Eclipse next to NetBeans for running and testing my applications. Overall, my advice is: if you like NetBeans5.5, switch to a daily build of NetBeans6 now :-) --Tim My reason to move to NetBeans for a lot of development was it's excellent support of Maven / Maven2, versus Eclipse's rather poor support (the Eclipse plugin for supporting Maven2 integration doesn't quite cut it for me).

That, and the fact that Eclipse 3.2 developed a tendency to go OOM on me several times a day.

However, in NetBeans 5.5 I missed too many good Java editing features so almost instantly I switched to NetBeans pre-release and milestone releases for the upcoming version 6 and they're getting better all the time. By now, they're really good, stable and very day-to-day usable alternative for Eclipse - go check them out :-)

I've never been one for the GUI builder though; I haven't used it in either IDEs. I did do a full year of Swing application development, using Eclipse to code it all by hand, and didn't feel the need to use an IDE for that... (Funny thing is that in Python I felt the GUI builder for wxPython was greatly helping me).

One thing in NetBeans still sucks for me: the way to run a command-line application which is built by Maven2. It inserts lots of stuff in your Maven2 POM, which -- in my opinion -- is not what you want.
So I still use Eclipse next to NetBeans for running and testing my applications.

Overall, my advice is: if you like NetBeans5.5, switch to a daily build of NetBeans6 now :-)

--Tim

]]> By: Siamak http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/comment-page-1/#comment-3196 Siamak Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:19:22 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/08/28/moving-to-netbeans-for-java-from-eclipse/#comment-3196 Hello, I have been a developer for at least 20 years (several years as C&C++ network developer under *nix, Novell, Windows) yet I have always had problem with Eclipse. That I want to use Eclipse for my development should not mean I must deal with installation/configuration of several plug-ins with different versions, different configuration procedures, different interoperability bugs etc. Yes, I like the fast Eclipse IDE with its great refactoring features but I hate it when I need to do something and I should download, install and configure several things. Take web services for example. First of all there were thousands of tutorials on the web, each one with a different plugin, specification and version. It took me 3 hours to just find out how can I create a simple client and another 3 hours to be able to create a simple web service and yet I have several problems. I have done web services in C# (even in VS2003 it was very very very easier than eclipse) and NetBeans (it took me 2 minutes for creating client and 5 minutes for web service itself including deployment and test). For swing applications do not even speak about it. I won't even try Eclipse (it does not have a good designer and does not support layout which I normally use) And yes, this Eclipse-user might tell I am not a developer (I have developed using Turbo-Pascal 1.0, Turbo-C 1.0, BasicA, Fortran using punch card machine and modern IDEs like Delphi, Codegear, VStudio). Hello,

I have been a developer for at least 20 years (several years as C&C++ network developer under *nix, Novell, Windows) yet I have always had problem with Eclipse.

That I want to use Eclipse for my development should not mean I must deal with installation/configuration of several plug-ins with different versions, different configuration procedures, different interoperability bugs etc.

Yes, I like the fast Eclipse IDE with its great refactoring features but I hate it when I need to do something and I should download, install and configure several things.

Take web services for example. First of all there were thousands of tutorials on the web, each one with a different plugin, specification and version. It took me 3 hours to just find out how can I create a simple client and another 3 hours to be able to create a simple web service and yet I have several problems.

I have done web services in C# (even in VS2003 it was very very very easier than eclipse) and NetBeans (it took me 2 minutes for creating client and 5 minutes for web service itself including deployment and test).

For swing applications do not even speak about it. I won't even try Eclipse (it does not have a good designer and does not support layout which I normally use)

And yes, this Eclipse-user might tell I am not a developer (I have developed using Turbo-Pascal 1.0, Turbo-C 1.0, BasicA, Fortran using punch card machine and modern IDEs like Delphi, Codegear, VStudio).

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