Comments on: Thomas Jefferson on Patents and Freedom of Ideas http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/ free software, free culture, free association Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:28:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: Scott Carpenter http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-3350 Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:28:28 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-3350 Tough noogies, Dwight. Tough noogies, Dwight.

]]> by: Dwight Schrute http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-3348 Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:31:52 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-3348 this sucks!!!!!!!!! and im supposed to do a reacherch report on him ughhhh! boring!!!!!!! this sucks!!!!!!!!!
and im supposed to do a reacherch report on him ughhhh! boring!!!!!!!

]]> by: No photography allowed at fulminate // Architectures of Control http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-956 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:58:24 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-956 [...] A couple of recent stories on photography of certain items being ‘banned’ - Cory Doctorow on a Magritte exhibition’s hypocrisy, and Jen Graves on a sculpture of which “photography is prohibited” - highlight what makes me tense up and want to scream about so much of the ‘intellectual property debate’: photons are no more regulable than bits. And bits, like knowledge itself, aren’t regulable either (Cory again). Just as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me, so he who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine (Jefferson, via Scott Carpenter). [...] […] A couple of recent stories on photography of certain items being ‘banned’ - Cory Doctorow on a Magritte exhibition’s hypocrisy, and Jen Graves on a sculpture of which “photography is prohibited” - highlight what makes me tense up and want to scream about so much of the ‘intellectual property debate’: photons are no more regulable than bits. And bits, like knowledge itself, aren’t regulable either (Cory again). Just as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me, so he who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine (Jefferson, via Scott Carpenter). […]

]]> by: Scott Carpenter Moving to Freedom at Amy Stephen http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-419 Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:25:38 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-419 [...] Scott is a writer for the Free Software Magazine. I “met” him after commenting on one of his articles in Digg and visiting his site. Scott also discovered Thomas Jefferson’s letter to Isaac McPherson in 1813 and blogged on it, too, just like I had done. [...] […] Scott is a writer for the Free Software Magazine. I “met” him after commenting on one of his articles in Digg and visiting his site. Scott also discovered Thomas Jefferson’s letter to Isaac McPherson in 1813 and blogged on it, too, just like I had done. […]

]]> by: Las penas del Agente Smith » El buen Boy Scout no copia http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-211 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:40:30 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-211 [...] Precisamente porque la industria (que en este caso es la del cine, pero puede ser igualmente la de la música, las editoriales, o cualquier otra que obtenga beneficios a base de vampirizar mediante intermediarios el trabajo de uno o varios creadores reales) es la que ha desarrollado la idea, dudo que eduquen a los niños en la idea de que los conceptos abstractos, los pensamientos y en general el fruto de la mente humana en su forma pura no se puede poseer. Ahora, si son tan americanos como dice su nombre (Motion Picture Association of America) seguro que no tienen problema en analizar y estudiar algún texto de Thomas Jefferson: If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. [...] […] Precisamente porque la industria (que en este caso es la del cine, pero puede ser igualmente la de la música, las editoriales, o cualquier otra que obtenga beneficios a base de vampirizar mediante intermediarios el trabajo de uno o varios creadores reales) es la que ha desarrollado la idea, dudo que eduquen a los niños en la idea de que los conceptos abstractos, los pensamientos y en general el fruto de la mente humana en su forma pura no se puede poseer. Ahora, si son tan americanos como dice su nombre (Motion Picture Association of America) seguro que no tienen problema en analizar y estudiar algún texto de Thomas Jefferson: If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. […]

]]> by: Scott Carpenter http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-192 Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:40:24 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-192 Thanks, Amy. I briefly considered if I should post the excerpt or not, since it has already been discussed so much, but then I realized the more people see and think about it, the better. It really is amazing, the ideas that have been with us for so long that become more relevant every day. I agree: we live in interesting times. Thanks, Amy. I briefly considered if I should post the excerpt or not, since it has already been discussed so much, but then I realized the more people see and think about it, the better. It really is amazing, the ideas that have been with us for so long that become more relevant every day. I agree: we live in interesting times.

]]> by: Amy Stephen http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-187 Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:50:53 +0000 http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2006/10/06/thomas-jefferson-on-patents-and-freedom-of-ideas/#comment-187 Scott - I *completely* understand how you feel. This passage from Jefferson blew me away, too. I have to admit, I do not remember reading it before. How is it possible after nearly 200 years that these words are still so true today? I had to think a lot after reading this. Many walks. It was a eureka moment for me. This passage and Lawrence Lessig's Free Culture ( http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ ), Raymond's "Hacker Attitude" points 1 and 4 ( http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html ). Those three influences came in a rapid fire succession for me, amongst other readings and happenings, and I could almost feel a shifting of gears. We live in an awesome time! Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. Scott -

I *completely* understand how you feel. This passage from Jefferson blew me away, too. I have to admit, I do not remember reading it before. How is it possible after nearly 200 years that these words are still so true today?

I had to think a lot after reading this. Many walks. It was a eureka moment for me. This passage and Lawrence Lessig’s Free Culture ( http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ ), Raymond’s “Hacker Attitude” points 1 and 4 ( http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html ). Those three influences came in a rapid fire succession for me, amongst other readings and happenings, and I could almost feel a shifting of gears.

We live in an awesome time! Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

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